Episode 373

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16th Aug 2026

373: Moneyball in Projectland with Grayson Barnard and Dawn Mahan

Welcome to the PMO Strategies Podcast + Blog, where PMO leaders become IMPACT Drivers!

PMI Talent Triangle: Power Skills

This episode is personal for me in a way most podcast conversations are not.

For the first time, my son and co-author, Grayson Barnard, joins me on the PMO Strategies podcast. One of my closest friends, Dawn Mahan, is here too. The three of us talk about Projectland, baseball, the books we created together, and a leadership lesson PMO and transformation leaders cannot afford to miss.

You can do everything that looks like good project management and still fail to help the team win.

Your tool may be sophisticated. Your templates may be complete. Your governance process may be consistent. Your report may contain 85 metrics. None of that matters if leaders still cannot see the decision, the team is protecting activity that does not advance the outcome, or the project finishes without creating the business value it was funded to produce.

Grayson recognized that lesson immediately in Moneyball. The goal was not to replace star players with people who looked like star players. The goal was to find what produced wins and organize the team around it.

That is the question at the center of this episode: What is your team's version of getting on base?

In this episode, you will learn:

✅ Why Grayson believed Moneyball was the obvious story for our chapter.

✅ How to distinguish work that looks professional from work that advances the business outcome.

✅ Why individual performance measures can pull people away from the team win.

✅ How Dawn's Projectland characters help teams understand roles, sponsors, stakeholders, and saboteurs.

✅ How both Projectland books make serious leadership lessons more engaging and easier to apply.

✅ Why fun is not the opposite of disciplined performance.

✅ How to prepare a team for the moment the plan stops matching reality.

Connect with Grayson Barnard and Dawn Mahan

Grayson Barnard on LinkedIn

Dawn Mahan on LinkedIn

Explore Projectland

Read the free Moneyball sample chapter

Explore Projectland Goes to the Movies

Explore Meet the Players in Projectland

Browse the Projectland movie list on IMDb

Continue with the Executive Perspective

Continue the baseball connection and watch What Baseball Teaches Us About Project Management

P.S. Once you know what matters, the next challenge is helping leaders understand why they should act. Join me live for Make Your Case on Thursday, August 20, from 12:00 to 1:30 p.m. Eastern. Bring one real strategy delivery challenge and turn it into a clear, leadership-ready Case for Change you can use in the room. Live only. No replays. Owners of The IMPACT Engine join free. Your book is your ticket.

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Laura Barnard

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About the Podcast

PMO Strategies
with Laura Barnard
In this podcast, PMO leaders and those wanting to capitalize on the best of project management to deliver the organization’s strategy will uncover the hidden secrets of the best PMOs, learn the game-changing techniques that transform any PMO into a value-driven IMPACT Engine, and explore the best ways for the PMO to become an integral part of the fabric and future of an organization. After spending two and a half decades helping organizations deliver change, with 15 of those years in the shoes of PMO leader inside organizations, Laura strongly believes that there is more to making an IMPACT than templates, tools, and process. She’ll show you how to make the shifts necessary to become a business-focused PMO that will become an invaluable organizational asset. With her guests and insights, we explore the sticky situations and tough challenges PMO leaders face, from sorting through all of the “noise” about what the PMO “should” do to finding the best ways for your PMO to make an IMPACT. Listen in, and you can discover how to shift your focus from outputs to outcomes, fundamentally changing the game for your PMO and personal success.

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